tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6883415296937284014.post8257925012241850048..comments2024-01-08T02:16:57.647-08:00Comments on Religion, Sets, and Politics: Jack Chick, Native Americans and HenotheismJoshuahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00637936588223855248noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6883415296937284014.post-85188876443084718912010-01-25T14:39:14.153-08:002010-01-25T14:39:14.153-08:00Why can not Chick actually believe that his own st...Why can not Chick actually believe that his own stereotypical portrayal of other religions? <br /><br />Consider that most Americans do not know much about Indian religion (either kind) and add to that Chick is horribly prejudiced and I find it perfectly believable that he would come up with grossly inaccurate beliefs about how Hinduists or Native Americans practice their religion. <br /><br />He seams to know some Catholic theology but I suspect it is because he has read Protestant apologetics. The authors would of these would know a least the basics of Catholic theology. <br /><br />But when it comes to religions that are far removed from Christianity his only source of information is probably the media and his own imagination. <br /><br />I am not sure this tract is all that effective in preaching to the choir. Wouldn't someone be just a little bit tempted by the power you obviously get if you worship the Native American demons?Johannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6883415296937284014.post-13557302187647670482010-01-23T05:22:02.049-08:002010-01-23T05:22:02.049-08:00I agree with your analysis that Jack Chick's t...I agree with your analysis that Jack Chick's theology is henotheistic. The "Crazy Wolf" tract strikes me as a reworking of an earlier tract <a href="http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0070/0070_01.asp" rel="nofollow">The Traitor</a>, this time aimed at Hindus. <br /><br />The Hindu tract is really such a mixture of stereotypes, parody, and Jack Chick's imagination that it bears very little resemblance to real Hinduism. A Native American told me that "Crazy Wolf" is "So wrong that I don't know where to begin", so I think that must be the same.<br /><br />This begs the question of what the purpose of these tracts is. Anyone knowing real Hinduism would not be encouraged to convert in any way by "The Traitor", it would just be a demonstration of Chick's ignorance. I suspect the same is true of the other religions. The only thing that I can think is that this is aimed at the already converted to show them "how bad" other faiths are, and undermine any interfaith dialogue or universalist thoughts. <br /><br />I like your analogy of reversing Jesus and Satan, I have thought the same of many fundamentalistsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6883415296937284014.post-22512671493797969172010-01-17T08:34:02.489-08:002010-01-17T08:34:02.489-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.ខ្មែរ worldnews, sport , khmerlidership,https://www.blogger.com/profile/02483399706273961397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6883415296937284014.post-8290398349561992522010-01-16T06:01:32.280-08:002010-01-16T06:01:32.280-08:00Apparently the view that other gods were really de...Apparently the view that other gods were really demons was quite common in the ancient world especially among monotheists like Jews and Christians. <br /><br />Certainly, if you heard that some religuous leader you disliked was performing miracles you were probably more likely to blaim demons or magic than suggest the reports were mistaken. I venture that today it is different even among most fundamentalists crazies who decry the Enlightment mindset. <br /><br />I am not sure Jack Chick goes any further than the early Christians did. Certainly the demons in the New Testament that Jesus expells appears to be able to do quite serious harm to people. They are also powerless against Jesus, just like Jack Chicks demons.Johannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6883415296937284014.post-13635689307834763772010-01-14T19:12:53.677-08:002010-01-14T19:12:53.677-08:00"...one gets the idea of just how diverse ear..."...one gets the idea of just how diverse early christianity was on salvation before Paul's repugnant ideas came onto the scene."<br /><br />God, Shalmo, I never thought I would say this again after that homosexuality post but Amen, Brother. You are hardcore right. Paul was honestly one of the biggest pieces of shit to ever live. I can't even continue this entry because of how unhappy he makes me.Lautreamonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067145065971034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6883415296937284014.post-88259674571287817742010-01-14T12:56:42.762-08:002010-01-14T12:56:42.762-08:00Shalmo, anyone with half a brain knows that the en...Shalmo, anyone with half a brain knows that the entire bloody English language is much younger than Arabic (or Hebrew or Aramaic) so the point doesn't seem to matter much.<br /><br />Although for that particular word there is some interesting history. There's linguistic evidence that the word "god" itself may be surprisingly old. See http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608x.htm (and also the OED entry on the word which I can't find an online linkable copy of)Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00637936588223855248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6883415296937284014.post-21421286470754601342010-01-14T12:53:29.553-08:002010-01-14T12:53:29.553-08:00"Implied in this narrative is the teaching th..."Implied in this narrative is the teaching that prayer for a soul can actively lead to salvation."<br /><br />Its interesting. In studies of the Gospel of Thomas (routined as the "5th" Gospel) what I find interesting is not what the Gospel includes, but what it excludes.<br /><br />No mention of cruxification, no original sin, no trinity, no modalism, no resurrection, AND NO VICARIOUS SACRIFICE!<br /><br />In fact it states that to achieve salvation one simply needs to concentrate on the words in the Gospel itself starkly contrasting Paul's view on sacrificial atonement.<br /><br />Inttriguingly it also states heaven is not some place in the upper sky as many christians think, but that its something that always existed with us, and Jesus only came to show us where it was. Link this with where Jesus says "the kingdom of heaven is within" in the canonical gospel(s) and one gets the idea of just how diverse early christianity was on salvation before Paul's repugnant ideas came onto the scene.Shalmonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6883415296937284014.post-16014408605372282682010-01-14T12:46:20.116-08:002010-01-14T12:46:20.116-08:00The word Allah is actually older than the word God...The word Allah is actually older than the word God<br /><br />Remember the famous My God, My God why have you forsaken me?<br /><br />The aramaic used by Jesus was "elah" which is the same as Allah in arabicShalmonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6883415296937284014.post-40714114685409954192010-01-13T20:07:37.147-08:002010-01-13T20:07:37.147-08:00Man, I love this cartoon for the one reason that i...Man, I love this cartoon for the one reason that it elicited such an elegant and witty little essay from you Josh. And TG, "honest conversion"?? Cmon man, it was Mary's prayer and the thorough ass beating Crazy Wolf received as a product of it which fomented his conversion. I don't think Twain considered people who have been assaulted half to death by god's henchmen as "recently saved."Lautreamonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067145065971034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6883415296937284014.post-22863968292356343212010-01-12T20:43:28.764-08:002010-01-12T20:43:28.764-08:00I don't think either of those are very good co...I don't think either of those are very good comparisons in so far as neither uses spirits alien to God or anything of the like. Balaam isn't using any active spirit counter to God. The Witch of Endor meanwhile (aside from the whole living with Eewoks thing) is simply using some form of necromancy. There's no implication that that power stems anything other than just the rules of how the universe operates happening to include necromancy.<br /><br />But yes, some sections of the Bible are henotheistic (look at the phrasing of the Ten Commandments). Yet others aren't. And I would be inclined to argue that the level of power associated to other quasi-deities by Chick is substantially higher than can be justified from a simple reading of the texts. <br /><br />Reading Stormfield now. Had not read it before.Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00637936588223855248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6883415296937284014.post-14863215273082513222010-01-12T20:18:14.620-08:002010-01-12T20:18:14.620-08:00I disagree with your analysis. I think Chick's...I disagree with your analysis. I think Chick's treatment of Crazy Wolf is consistent with the Bible's treatment of Balaam and the witch of Endor. Of course, the self-consistency of the Bible is a much longer discussion.<br /><br />Also, I think it's clear in the story that it's not Mary's prayer that gets Crazy Wolf into heaven but his own honest conversion. Mark Twain had a very funny take on the ascension of the recently saved in his unfinished story, "Captain Stormfield's Visit to Heaven." http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/1044<br /><br />Of course, I might just be defending Jack Chick because he "loves" me.<br />http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1000/1000_01.aspTGnoreply@blogger.com